News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.

"Skylune" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.

Doubtful. If this had been an intentional attack, the plane would have hit
the nearby UN building, not an apartment building. It was probably either an
accident (perhaps due to mechanical failure or pilot incapacitation) or a
suicide.

In any case, it appears to have been a small aircraft. Just two windows on
each of two adjacent floors of the apartment building show flames and
damage. No ground injuries have been reported; so far, it looks no more
serious than a typical fatal car crash.

--Gary

Gary Drescher wrote:
> "Skylune" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> > News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
>
> Doubtful. If this had been an intentional attack, the plane would have hit
> the nearby UN building, not an apartment building. It was probably either an
> accident (perhaps due to mechanical failure or pilot incapacitation) or a
> suicide.
>
> In any case, it appears to have been a small aircraft. Just two windows on
> each of two adjacent floors of the apartment building show flames and
> damage. No ground injuries have been reported; so far, it looks no more
> serious than a typical fatal car crash.
>
> --Gary

FAA confirming it was GA, plane or helicopter. Won't matter if it was
terrorism or not. ADIZ is popular with big city mayors.

Much worse than car crash, residential apartment building was slammed,
and the building is aflame.

Gary Drescher wrote:
> "Skylune" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> > News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
>
> Doubtful. If this had been an intentional attack, the plane would have hit
> the nearby UN building, not an apartment building. It was probably either an
> accident (perhaps due to mechanical failure or pilot incapacitation) or a
> suicide.
>
> In any case, it appears to have been a small aircraft. Just two windows on
> each of two adjacent floors of the apartment building show flames and
> damage. No ground injuries have been reported; so far, it looks no more
> serious than a typical fatal car crash.
>
> --Gary

Appears that CNN did not follow Boyer's specific instructions to
contact AOPA before reporting on slammings....

Doubtful it was terrorism. Probably mechanical or pilot error.

This is a highly inappropriate time for you to go on your usual mental
tirade. You are a sick demento who desires any attention, even if it
is negative. Too bad you are an emotional failure, you really must be
hurting to act this way.

Skylune wrote:
> Gary Drescher wrote:
> > "Skylune" > wrote in message
> > ps.com...
> > > News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
> >
> > Doubtful. If this had been an intentional attack, the plane would have hit
> > the nearby UN building, not an apartment building. It was probably either an
> > accident (perhaps due to mechanical failure or pilot incapacitation) or a
> > suicide.
> >
> > In any case, it appears to have been a small aircraft. Just two windows on
> > each of two adjacent floors of the apartment building show flames and
> > damage. No ground injuries have been reported; so far, it looks no more
> > serious than a typical fatal car crash.
> >
> > --Gary
>
> FAA confirming it was GA, plane or helicopter. Won't matter if it was
> terrorism or not. ADIZ is popular with big city mayors.
>
> Much worse than car crash, residential apartment building was slammed,
> and the building is aflame.

Skylune wrote:
> Gary Drescher wrote:
> > "Skylune" > wrote in message
> > ps.com...
> > > News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
> >
> > Doubtful. If this had been an intentional attack, the plane would have hit
> > the nearby UN building, not an apartment building. It was probably either an
> > accident (perhaps due to mechanical failure or pilot incapacitation) or a
> > suicide.
> >
> > In any case, it appears to have been a small aircraft. Just two windows on
> > each of two adjacent floors of the apartment building show flames and
> > damage. No ground injuries have been reported; so far, it looks no more
> > serious than a typical fatal car crash.
> >
> > --Gary
>
> Appears that CNN did not follow Boyer's specific instructions to
> contact AOPA before reporting on slammings....
>
> Doubtful it was terrorism. Probably mechanical or pilot error.

wrote:
> This is a highly inappropriate time for you to go on your usual mental
> tirade. You are a sick demento who desires any attention, even if it
> is negative. Too bad you are an emotional failure, you really must be
> hurting to act this way.
>
> Skylune wrote:
> > Gary Drescher wrote:
> > > "Skylune" > wrote in message
> > > ps.com...
> > > > News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
> > >
> > > Doubtful. If this had been an intentional attack, the plane would have hit
> > > the nearby UN building, not an apartment building. It was probably either an
> > > accident (perhaps due to mechanical failure or pilot incapacitation) or a
> > > suicide.
> > >
> > > In any case, it appears to have been a small aircraft. Just two windows on
> > > each of two adjacent floors of the apartment building show flames and
> > > damage. No ground injuries have been reported; so far, it looks no more
> > > serious than a typical fatal car crash.
> > >
> > > --Gary
> >
> > FAA confirming it was GA, plane or helicopter. Won't matter if it was
> > terrorism or not. ADIZ is popular with big city mayors.
> >
> > Much worse than car crash, residential apartment building was slammed,
> > and the building is aflame.

Yeah, whatever. This stuff is inevitable. As I have said. Deal with
it.

Skylune wrote:
> Gary Drescher wrote:
> > "Skylune" > wrote in message
> > ps.com...
> > > News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
> >
> > Doubtful. If this had been an intentional attack, the plane would have hit
> > the nearby UN building, not an apartment building. It was probably either an
> > accident (perhaps due to mechanical failure or pilot incapacitation) or a
> > suicide.
> >
> > In any case, it appears to have been a small aircraft. Just two windows on
> > each of two adjacent floors of the apartment building show flames and
> > damage. No ground injuries have been reported; so far, it looks no more
> > serious than a typical fatal car crash.
> >
> > --Gary
>
> Appears that CNN did not follow Boyer's specific instructions to
> contact AOPA before reporting on slammings....
>
> Doubtful it was terrorism. Probably mechanical or pilot error.


NORAD puting fighters up over major cities. Here we go again, the GA
circus causing chaos......

"Skylune" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> wrote:
> > This is a highly inappropriate time for you to go on your usual mental
> > tirade. You are a sick demento who desires any attention, even if it
> > is negative. Too bad you are an emotional failure, you really must be
> > hurting to act this way.
> >
> > Skylune wrote:
> > > Gary Drescher wrote:
> > > > "Skylune" > wrote in message
> > > > ps.com...
> > > > > News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
> > > >
> > > > Doubtful. If this had been an intentional attack, the plane would
have hit
> > > > the nearby UN building, not an apartment building. It was probably
either an
> > > > accident (perhaps due to mechanical failure or pilot incapacitation)
or a
> > > > suicide.
> > > >
> > > > In any case, it appears to have been a small aircraft. Just two
windows on
> > > > each of two adjacent floors of the apartment building show flames
and
> > > > damage. No ground injuries have been reported; so far, it looks no
more
> > > > serious than a typical fatal car crash.
> > > >
> > > > --Gary
> > >
> > > FAA confirming it was GA, plane or helicopter. Won't matter if it was
> > > terrorism or not. ADIZ is popular with big city mayors.
> > >
> > > Much worse than car crash, residential apartment building was slammed,
> > > and the building is aflame.
>
> Yeah, whatever. This stuff is inevitable. As I have said. Deal with
> it.
>

I find your enjoyment of others' suffering and death disturbing.

Steve Foley wrote:
> "Skylune" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > wrote:
> > > This is a highly inappropriate time for you to go on your usual mental
> > > tirade. You are a sick demento who desires any attention, even if it
> > > is negative. Too bad you are an emotional failure, you really must be
> > > hurting to act this way.
> > >
> > > Skylune wrote:
> > > > Gary Drescher wrote:
> > > > > "Skylune" > wrote in message
> > > > > ps.com...
> > > > > > News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
> > > > >
> > > > > Doubtful. If this had been an intentional attack, the plane would
> have hit
> > > > > the nearby UN building, not an apartment building. It was probably
> either an
> > > > > accident (perhaps due to mechanical failure or pilot incapacitation)
> or a
> > > > > suicide.
> > > > >
> > > > > In any case, it appears to have been a small aircraft. Just two
> windows on
> > > > > each of two adjacent floors of the apartment building show flames
> and
> > > > > damage. No ground injuries have been reported; so far, it looks no
> more
> > > > > serious than a typical fatal car crash.
> > > > >
> > > > > --Gary
> > > >
> > > > FAA confirming it was GA, plane or helicopter. Won't matter if it was
> > > > terrorism or not. ADIZ is popular with big city mayors.
> > > >
> > > > Much worse than car crash, residential apartment building was slammed,
> > > > and the building is aflame.
> >
> > Yeah, whatever. This stuff is inevitable. As I have said. Deal with
> > it.
> >
>
> I find your enjoyment of others' suffering and death disturbing.

ENJOYMENT??? You are nuts. This is awful.

> ENJOYMENT??? You are nuts. This is awful.

Yes skylune, you are awful. You finally got something right.

"Skylune" > wrote in message
ups.com...

>
> > I find your enjoyment of others' suffering and death disturbing.
>
> ENJOYMENT??? You are nuts. This is awful.
>
Yeah - you seem all busted up about it.

You're sick. Every so often I catch a side of humanity that makes me
ill. We can almost sense your glee that this terrible tragedy happened
- all so you can show up here with your nonesensical drivel. You are a
small little man, and I'm sure you've found your angry rantings do not
help. Seek professional therapy before you melt down or go postal. It
is not our fault you are an unsuccessful failure.


Skylune wrote:
> wrote:
> > This is a highly inappropriate time for you to go on your usual mental
> > tirade. You are a sick demento who desires any attention, even if it
> > is negative. Too bad you are an emotional failure, you really must be
> > hurting to act this way.
> >
> > Skylune wrote:
> > > Gary Drescher wrote:
> > > > "Skylune" > wrote in message
> > > > ps.com...
> > > > > News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
> > > >
> > > > Doubtful. If this had been an intentional attack, the plane would have hit
> > > > the nearby UN building, not an apartment building. It was probably either an
> > > > accident (perhaps due to mechanical failure or pilot incapacitation) or a
> > > > suicide.
> > > >
> > > > In any case, it appears to have been a small aircraft. Just two windows on
> > > > each of two adjacent floors of the apartment building show flames and
> > > > damage. No ground injuries have been reported; so far, it looks no more
> > > > serious than a typical fatal car crash.
> > > >
> > > > --Gary
> > >
> > > FAA confirming it was GA, plane or helicopter. Won't matter if it was
> > > terrorism or not. ADIZ is popular with big city mayors.
> > >
> > > Much worse than car crash, residential apartment building was slammed,
> > > and the building is aflame.
>
> Yeah, whatever. This stuff is inevitable. As I have said. Deal with
> it.

Steve Foley wrote:
> "Skylune" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
> >
> > > I find your enjoyment of others' suffering and death disturbing.
> >
> > ENJOYMENT??? You are nuts. This is awful.
> >
> Yeah - you seem all busted up about it.

How many so far this year? Slammings? The FAA/AOPA **** me off. I
don't care if you guys kill yourselves, but there have been several
people on the ground killed already this year.

Combined with the horrendous noise pollution, water pollution,
subsidies, etc. What a joke!

This VFR stuff especially needs to be better regulated. But the FAA
wants everyone in the AIR!! Yahoo!!! 20 hours, present a drivers
license, and you can fly 1000 feet over anyones house. F--ing insanity!

Slylune,
Please keep us informed of all the latest events. We are counting on
you to give us a complete, unbiased account of all that's going on and
all the surrounding activity!

I'll make sure Phil Boyer recognizes your efforts and gives you an AOPA
pin.




Skylune wrote:
> Skylune wrote:
> > Gary Drescher wrote:
> > > "Skylune" > wrote in message
> > > ps.com...
> > > > News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
> > >
> > > Doubtful. If this had been an intentional attack, the plane would have hit
> > > the nearby UN building, not an apartment building. It was probably either an
> > > accident (perhaps due to mechanical failure or pilot incapacitation) or a
> > > suicide.
> > >
> > > In any case, it appears to have been a small aircraft. Just two windows on
> > > each of two adjacent floors of the apartment building show flames and
> > > damage. No ground injuries have been reported; so far, it looks no more
> > > serious than a typical fatal car crash.
> > >
> > > --Gary
> >
> > Appears that CNN did not follow Boyer's specific instructions to
> > contact AOPA before reporting on slammings....
> >
> > Doubtful it was terrorism. Probably mechanical or pilot error.
>
>
> NORAD puting fighters up over major cities. Here we go again, the GA
> circus causing chaos......

Slylune,
Please keep us informed of all the latest events. We are counting on
you to give us a complete, unbiased account of all that's going on and
all the surrounding activity!

I'll make sure Phil Boyer recognizes your efforts and gives you an AOPA
pin.




Skylune wrote:
> Skylune wrote:
> > Gary Drescher wrote:
> > > "Skylune" > wrote in message
> > > ps.com...
> > > > News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
> > >
> > > Doubtful. If this had been an intentional attack, the plane would have hit
> > > the nearby UN building, not an apartment building. It was probably either an
> > > accident (perhaps due to mechanical failure or pilot incapacitation) or a
> > > suicide.
> > >
> > > In any case, it appears to have been a small aircraft. Just two windows on
> > > each of two adjacent floors of the apartment building show flames and
> > > damage. No ground injuries have been reported; so far, it looks no more
> > > serious than a typical fatal car crash.
> > >
> > > --Gary
> >
> > Appears that CNN did not follow Boyer's specific instructions to
> > contact AOPA before reporting on slammings....
> >
> > Doubtful it was terrorism. Probably mechanical or pilot error.
>
>
> NORAD puting fighters up over major cities. Here we go again, the GA
> circus causing chaos......

Marco Leon wrote:
> Slylune,
> Please keep us informed of all the latest events. We are counting on
> you to give us a complete, unbiased account of all that's going on and
> all the surrounding activity!
>
> I'll make sure Phil Boyer recognizes your efforts and gives you an AOPA
> pin.
>
>
>
>
> Skylune wrote:
> > Skylune wrote:
> > > Gary Drescher wrote:
> > > > "Skylune" > wrote in message
> > > > ps.com...
> > > > > News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
> > > >
> > > > Doubtful. If this had been an intentional attack, the plane would have hit
> > > > the nearby UN building, not an apartment building. It was probably either an
> > > > accident (perhaps due to mechanical failure or pilot incapacitation) or a
> > > > suicide.
> > > >
> > > > In any case, it appears to have been a small aircraft. Just two windows on
> > > > each of two adjacent floors of the apartment building show flames and
> > > > damage. No ground injuries have been reported; so far, it looks no more
> > > > serious than a typical fatal car crash.
> > > >
> > > > --Gary
> > >
> > > Appears that CNN did not follow Boyer's specific instructions to
> > > contact AOPA before reporting on slammings....
> > >
> > > Doubtful it was terrorism. Probably mechanical or pilot error.
> >
> >
> > NORAD puting fighters up over major cities. Here we go again, the GA
> > circus causing chaos......

Sorry you are all so upset that GA has just gotten another black eye.
The situation needs to exposed, and the AOPA special interest lobby
needs to be exposed.

Trust me, I am not the only one following this stuff. Boyer can tell
the pilots what questions to ask the pols all he wants, and you
lemmings can follow Phil.

There are those of us who can think for ourselves, though, and see
reality for what it is. All you care about is flying cheap, on the
taxpayers dime, and being unaccountable to anyone.

Goodbye, losers.

Skylune writes:

> Yeah, whatever. This stuff is inevitable. As I have said. Deal with
> it.

Expect a media circus.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Skylune writes:

> NORAD puting fighters up over major cities. Here we go again, the GA
> circus causing chaos......

It's not GA, it's the media and the government. It's unfortunate,
though, that this particular pilot was clumsy enough to have a
high-profile accident.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

wrote:
> You're sick. Every so often I catch a side of humanity that makes me
> ill. We can almost sense your glee that this terrible tragedy happened
> - all so you can show up here with your nonesensical drivel. You are a
> small little man, and I'm sure you've found your angry rantings do not
> help. Seek professional therapy before you melt down or go postal. It
> is not our fault you are an unsuccessful failure.
>
>
> Skylune wrote:
> > wrote:
> > > This is a highly inappropriate time for you to go on your usual mental
> > > tirade. You are a sick demento who desires any attention, even if it
> > > is negative. Too bad you are an emotional failure, you really must be
> > > hurting to act this way.
> > >
> > > Skylune wrote:
> > > > Gary Drescher wrote:
> > > > > "Skylune" > wrote in message
> > > > > ps.com...
> > > > > > News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
> > > > >
> > > > > Doubtful. If this had been an intentional attack, the plane would have hit
> > > > > the nearby UN building, not an apartment building. It was probably either an
> > > > > accident (perhaps due to mechanical failure or pilot incapacitation) or a
> > > > > suicide.
> > > > >
> > > > > In any case, it appears to have been a small aircraft. Just two windows on
> > > > > each of two adjacent floors of the apartment building show flames and
> > > > > damage. No ground injuries have been reported; so far, it looks no more
> > > > > serious than a typical fatal car crash.
> > > > >
> > > > > --Gary
> > > >
> > > > FAA confirming it was GA, plane or helicopter. Won't matter if it was
> > > > terrorism or not. ADIZ is popular with big city mayors.
> > > >
> > > > Much worse than car crash, residential apartment building was slammed,
> > > > and the building is aflame.
> >
> > Yeah, whatever. This stuff is inevitable. As I have said. Deal with
> > it.

Sense my glee? I am ****ed off. You are stupid.

Skylune wrote:
> News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.

Damn, Skylune and Mxmaniac have made up the first dozen posts entirely
with their stupid rants. Sorry, I won't be taking part in this thread.
Join me, won't you?

Stella

Skylune wrote:
> FAA confirming it was GA, plane or helicopter. Won't matter if it was
> terrorism or not. ADIZ is popular with big city mayors.

An ADIZ would NOT be popular with this mayor. Too many high-powered
businessmen use copters to commute to work in Manhattan.

Kev

Skylune wrote:
> Sorry you are all so upset that GA has just gotten another black eye.
> The situation needs to exposed, and the AOPA special interest lobby
> needs to be exposed.
>
> Trust me, I am not the only one following this stuff. Boyer can tell
> the pilots what questions to ask the pols all he wants, and you
> lemmings can follow Phil.

Why do you care so much about AOPA?? Are you THAT much of a loser that
you have nothing better to do with your energy? You were the first one
to RUSH to this newsgroup and post the story.

Dude, take up golf or something. How about model trains? You like
trains? They're pretty cool. Lots of people are into them.

Just trying to help.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> You're sick. Every so often I catch a side of humanity that makes me
> ill. We can almost sense your glee that this terrible tragedy happened
> - all so you can show up here with your nonesensical drivel. You are a
> small little man, and I'm sure you've found your angry rantings do not
> help. Seek professional therapy before you melt down or go postal. It
> is not our fault you are an unsuccessful failure.
>
>
Student of Ward Churchill?

"Skylune" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> I don't care if you guys kill yourselves, but there have been
> several people on the ground killed already this year.

Do you have evidence that the danger a GA plane poses to people on the
ground is greater than the danger that an automobile poses to pedestrians
and bicyclists?

If not, it would be hypocritical of you to appeal to the danger to
nonparticipants as a reason to oppose GA, but not as a reason to oppose
automobiles.

--Gary

writes:

> Damn, Skylune and Mxmaniac have made up the first dozen posts entirely
> with their stupid rants. Sorry, I won't be taking part in this thread.

Do you see the irony in this?

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

No, you are the one that is stupid. You come to this piloting
newsgroup to rant and rave about utter nonesense. Why? Do you think
we care beyond the 5 second flame bait follow up? Do you think you are
going to make a dent to this multi-billion dollar industry that is
vital to the modern way of life? You are beyond idiocy if you think
so.

As far as this incident - this is not going to impact our flying at
all. The news media will hype it for what it's worth, but soon Paris
Hilton will get a new tatoo or somthing and they'll leave this one
alone. Kinda like the Tampa suicide. Remember that? The general
public doesn't.

GA will be going for a long time, and you will apparently continue to
get stomach ulcers about it. Fortunately I'll be having a good time
making a living at it and enjoying the privelaged recreational
opportunities.

Skylune wrote:
> [..] Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.

Probably not. Not only because of the rich businessmen I mentioned
elsewhere who like to commute to work in their private copters, but now
because of the possibility being raised that the airplane was owned by
the Yankees' pitcher.

If there's a good side, it's that people will see how little damage a
small plane makes.

Mxsmanic wrote:
> writes:
>
> > Damn, Skylune and Mxmaniac have made up the first dozen posts entirely
> > with their stupid rants. Sorry, I won't be taking part in this thread.
>
> Do you see the irony in this?
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

They don't. They just follow Boyer's instructions, without question.

Skylune wrote:
> News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
>
Dunno. They haven't asked for one yet.

"Skylune" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.

As I expected, Bloomberg just said (in response to a question) that the
crash has no security implications. It was merely an unfortunate accident
with no broader significance, he said.

--Gary

Skylune wrote:

> Yeah, whatever. This stuff is inevitable. As I have said. Deal with
> it.
>

Its also inevitable that a 16 year old kid with a new car will go out and wreck it.

Skylune wrote:
> How many so far this year? Slammings? The FAA/AOPA **** me off. I
> don't care if you guys kill yourselves, but there have been several
> people on the ground killed already this year.

How many teenagers were killed this year in a car mommy and daddy bought
them?
>
> Combined with the horrendous noise pollution, water pollution,
> subsidies, etc. What a joke!

Pollution? Sheesh... try driving anywhere near any US High School in the
morning or in the afternoon and look at the traffic jams caused by all the
students driving their cars.... talk about pollution and waste of fuel!
>
> This VFR stuff especially needs to be better regulated. But the FAA
> wants everyone in the AIR!! Yahoo!!! 20 hours, present a drivers
> license, and you can fly 1000 feet over anyones house. F--ing insanity!
>
You continue to demonstrate your simple minded, blithering idiocy every
day on this newsgroup. I'm sure you are very proud.

"Skylune" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
>

Wow, I guess that really made your day.

Only 22 minutes from people dying to you gloating about it here.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

I thought you had said " goodbye loosers" ?

You sir are the looser.. When did you drop out of flight school ? Was it the
first time you practiced a stall and ****ed your pants ? Or were you just
not able to cut the knowledge requirements of becoming a pilot ?

Anyway just because you failed or never even tried don't be a hater.. I am
sure there are a thousand things you can't do or can't do well, do you go
and cry on those newsgroups ?

P.S. I know you are a simple little troll and I have just given you what
you really want (attention) but it was fun to practice my typing skills.

Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:
> "Skylune" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> > News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
> >
>
> Wow, I guess that really made your day.
>
> Only 22 minutes from people dying to you gloating about it here.

A full year since I last read this group regularly, I come back to see
if there are any more facts on what exactly might have happened, and
here's good 'ol Skylune trolling away and all of us biting. In a world
in which coffee comes in every flavor except for coffee, you can't
smoke a Marlboro anywhere there's a roof over your head, but two dudes
can get married, it's kinda nice to see some things never really change.

Skylune wrote:
> News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.

It is despicable to see you so overjoyed about this.

"Kev" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Skylune wrote:
>> FAA confirming it was GA, plane or helicopter. Won't matter if it was
>> terrorism or not. ADIZ is popular with big city mayors.
>
> An ADIZ would NOT be popular with this mayor. Too many high-powered
> businessmen use copters to commute to work in Manhattan.
>
> Kev

And the fact that the mayor is a pilot...

KB

Kyle Boatright wrote:
> "Kev" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Skylune wrote:
>>> FAA confirming it was GA, plane or helicopter. Won't matter if it was
>>> terrorism or not. ADIZ is popular with big city mayors.
>> An ADIZ would NOT be popular with this mayor. Too many high-powered
>> businessmen use copters to commute to work in Manhattan.
>>
>> Kev
>
> And the fact that the mayor is a pilot...

Pataki, on the other hand, dived right in like the moron he has
demonstrated himself to be for years. He's calling for the TFR over the
city to remain in effect indefinitely. An ADIZ will probably be his next
demand as soon as someone explains to him what one is.

Skylune wrote:
> News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.

P2. of todays WSJ:

"Manhattan Plane Crash Points to Vulnerabilities"

Lead article in today New York Times. Quote by Gov. Pataki: "New
Yorks airspace should enjoy the same kind of protections as our
nation's capital."

Similar themes last night on Chris Matthews.

I was right. Again.

Out.

Gary Drescher wrote:
> "Skylune" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > I don't care if you guys kill yourselves, but there have been
> > several people on the ground killed already this year.
>
> Do you have evidence that the danger a GA plane poses to people on the
> ground is greater than the danger that an automobile poses to pedestrians
> and bicyclists?
>
> If not, it would be hypocritical of you to appeal to the danger to
> nonparticipants as a reason to oppose GA, but not as a reason to oppose
> automobiles.
>
> --Gary

Yes,.

"Skylune" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Skylune wrote:
>> News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
>
> Lead article in today New York Times. Quote by Gov. Pataki: "New
> Yorks airspace should enjoy the same kind of protections as our
> nation's capital."
>
> I was right. Again.

No, you were wrong. NYC is not asking for an ADIZ. Bloomberg said
emphatically that there's no security issue. Others may ask for an ADIZ, but
NYC is not doing so, contrary to your claim.

The feds understand that a NY ADIZ would be irrational. Bloomberg's stance
keeps the irrational step from being politically expedient. That combination
will likely keep it from happening.

--Gary

Gary Drescher wrote:
> "Skylune" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > Skylune wrote:
> >> News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
> >
> > Lead article in today New York Times. Quote by Gov. Pataki: "New
> > Yorks airspace should enjoy the same kind of protections as our
> > nation's capital."
> >
> > I was right. Again.
>
> No, you were wrong. NYC is not asking for an ADIZ. Bloomberg said
> emphatically that there's no security issue. Others may ask for an ADIZ, but
> NYC is not doing so, contrary to your claim.
>
> The feds understand that a NY ADIZ would be irrational. Bloomberg's stance
> keeps the irrational step from being politically expedient. That combination
> will likely keep it from happening.
>
> --Gary

Should not have made reference to mayors, but politics, pointing again
to inadequacy of FARs (many articles about how close, legally, you can
fly to a building), and safety of GA flight, including lack of
security.

Reference to mayor asking for ADIZ was wrong. Should have said
policiticians.

Skylune wrote:
>
> I was right. Again.
>

You are right in the sense that your views are in agreement
with so many other leftist/socialists whose philosophy is
that the solution to each and every problem in life is simply
ever more restrictions and regulation.

You would should move to North Korea, I'm sure they have a LOT
less aircraft accidents than America does.

ktbr wrote:
> Skylune wrote:
> >
> > I was right. Again.
> >
>
> You are right in the sense that your views are in agreement
> with so many other leftist/socialists whose philosophy is
> that the solution to each and every problem in life is simply
> ever more restrictions and regulation.
>
> You would should move to North Korea, I'm sure they have a LOT
> less aircraft accidents than America does.

Live free, or die. Libertarian. Do as you wish, but when you do harm
to others (pollution/safety), govt. must get involved.

"ktbr" > wrote in message
...
> You are right in the sense that your views are in agreement
> with so many other leftist/socialists whose philosophy is
> that the solution to each and every problem in life is simply
> ever more restrictions and regulation.

Uh, as opposed to right-wingers, who seldom try to unduly restrict people?

me wrote:
> I thought you had said " goodbye loosers" ?
>
> You sir are the looser.. When did you drop out of flight school ? Was it the
> first time you practiced a stall and ****ed your pants ? Or were you just
> not able to cut the knowledge requirements of becoming a pilot ?
>
> Anyway just because you failed or never even tried don't be a hater.. I am
> sure there are a thousand things you can't do or can't do well, do you go
> and cry on those newsgroups ?
>
> P.S. I know you are a simple little troll and I have just given you what
> you really want (attention) but it was fun to practice my typing skills.

The eye exam by the DME was inadequate. It was a loose exam.

kontiki wrote:
> Skylune wrote:
>
> > Yeah, whatever. This stuff is inevitable. As I have said. Deal with
> > it.
> >
>
> Its also inevitable that a 16 year old kid with a new car will go out and wreck it.

Good point. Legislative discussions now going on in several states
about restricting driving priveleges for younger drivers (e.g.
Massachusetts). GA is doing opposite, loosening training requirements
(e.g. LSA).

Article on AvWeb pointed out pilot saying what many already know: no
FAA enforcement. "No harm, no foul" was how he put it.

Gary Drescher wrote:

> "ktbr" > wrote in message
> ...
> > You are right in the sense that your views are in agreement
> > with so many other leftist/socialists whose philosophy is
> > that the solution to each and every problem in life is simply
> > ever more restrictions and regulation.
>
> Uh, as opposed to right-wingers, who seldom try to unduly restrict people?

Correct.

Gary Drescher wrote:
>
> Uh, as opposed to right-wingers, who seldom try to unduly restrict people?
>
>

I am not in favor with anyone who suggests ever more government
restrictions, no matter what sort of 'winger' they are. In this
day and age, there isn't thimble full of difference between either
political party IMHO.

Historically, however, (as most reasonable people would stipualate)
it has been the left that has made a career out of expanding
government into ever more creative nooks and crannies of life.
They have always been very proud of that fact and thus the mantra
became the colloqual description. People tend to use it in connection
with such philosophy in the same way they use Hoover when talking
about vacuum cleaners.

cjcampbell wrote:
> Skylune wrote:
> > News is it was a light aircraft. Look for NYC to ask for an ADIZ.
>
> It is despicable to see you so overjoyed about this.

Listen: I am happy whenever the true state of GA gets media attention.
And then to watch the AOPA/FAA go into damage control mode, spewing
misinformation in order to protect the industry. I admit to that.

As far as people dying, that is tragic. Thank god no deaths on the
ground, just injuries. If this accident helps to convince just a few
people that flying is not nearly as simple as the total propaganda that
AOPA/EAA put out, some good can come of it.

I will not post here again. Goodbye lemmings.

Skylune wrote:

>
> Live free, or die. Libertarian. Do as you wish, but when you do harm
> to others (pollution/safety), govt. must get involved.
>

There it is... the socialist philosophy.. "govt. must get involved."

The simple fact is that in a free society people will get hurt, and
people do die. That is just the way it is and always has been since
the beginning of time. Leftist (and those masquerading as Libertarians)
can't *stand* the concept. They simply cannot accept the fact that
a guarantee against ever getting a booboo has not and will not ever
exist on earth.

I guess they figure if they can eventually get just about everything
outlawed, banned or restricted (except picking your nose) then
things will be fine.... until a meteor falls on your house.

Skylune wrote:
>
> I will not post here again. Goodbye lemmings.

If you'd only keep your promise... Your posting here significantly
lowers the signal-to-noise ratio in the forum

Skylune wrote:

>
> I will not post here again. Goodbye lemmings.
>

Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Marissa Taylor wrote:
> Gary Drescher wrote:
>
> > "ktbr" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > You are right in the sense that your views are in agreement
> > > with so many other leftist/socialists whose philosophy is
> > > that the solution to each and every problem in life is simply
> > > ever more restrictions and regulation.
> >
> > Uh, as opposed to right-wingers, who seldom try to unduly restrict people?
>
> Correct.

Ever heard of "gay marriage ammendments" and other such moral
legislation BS?

In article om>,
"JohnH" > wrote:

> > > Uh, as opposed to right-wingers, who seldom try to unduly restrict people?
> >
> > Correct.
>
> Ever heard of "gay marriage ammendments" and other such moral
> legislation BS?

Yep - but the left wingers is pushing gay marriage, not the right wing.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article om>,
> "JohnH" > wrote:
>
>> > > Uh, as opposed to right-wingers, who seldom try to unduly restrict
>> > > people?
>> >
>> > Correct.
>>
>> Ever heard of "gay marriage ammendments" and other such moral
>> legislation BS?
>
> Yep - but the left wingers is pushing gay marriage, not the right wing.

Exactly, just like the left wing pushed interracial marriage, women's
suffrage, the dismantling of segregation laws, repeal of laws against birth
control and non-procreative sex...

The right-wing strategy is constant: after it has lost its struggle for
repression on some particular issue, it disavows its stance on that issue
and insists that conservatism isn't like that anymore. But as long as a
particular struggle is still ongoing, the right wingers still battle for the
repressive side and claim that they're correct to do so.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
...
> "Bob Noel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article om>,
>> "JohnH" > wrote:
>>
>>> > > Uh, as opposed to right-wingers, who seldom try to unduly restrict
>>> > > people?
>>> >
>>> > Correct.
>>>
>>> Ever heard of "gay marriage ammendments" and other such moral
>>> legislation BS?
>>
>> Yep - but the left wingers is pushing gay marriage, not the right wing.
>
> Exactly, just like the left wing pushed interracial marriage, women's
> suffrage, the dismantling of segregation laws, repeal of laws against
> birth control and non-procreative sex...
>
> The right-wing strategy is constant: after it has lost its struggle for
> repression on some particular issue, it disavows its stance on that issue
> and insists that conservatism isn't like that anymore. But as long as a
> particular struggle is still ongoing, the right wingers still battle for
> the repressive side and claim that they're correct to do so.
>
> --Gary
>
>

Check your history and look at which party was the most against
desegregation. I'll give you a hint it starts with a D.

In article >,
"Gary Drescher" > wrote:

> >> Ever heard of "gay marriage ammendments" and other such moral
> >> legislation BS?
> >
> > Yep - but the left wingers is pushing gay marriage, not the right wing.
>
> Exactly, just like the left wing pushed interracial marriage, women's
> suffrage, the dismantling of segregation laws, repeal of laws against birth
> control and non-procreative sex...
>
> The right-wing strategy is constant: after it has lost its struggle for
> repression on some particular issue, it disavows its stance on that issue
> and insists that conservatism isn't like that anymore. But as long as a
> particular struggle is still ongoing, the right wingers still battle for the
> repressive side and claim that they're correct to do so.

I'm not sure you understood my post.

One of these days I'm going to scan a cartoon I have where the punchline is
"I told you he was a knee-jerk liberal"

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
...
>
> "Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Bob Noel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article om>,
>>> "JohnH" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> > > Uh, as opposed to right-wingers, who seldom try to unduly restrict
>>>> > > people?
>>>> >
>>>> > Correct.
>>>>
>>>> Ever heard of "gay marriage ammendments" and other such moral
>>>> legislation BS?
>>>
>>> Yep - but the left wingers is pushing gay marriage, not the right wing.
>>
>> Exactly, just like the left wing pushed interracial marriage, women's
>> suffrage, the dismantling of segregation laws, repeal of laws against
>> birth control and non-procreative sex...
>>
>> The right-wing strategy is constant: after it has lost its struggle for
>> repression on some particular issue, it disavows its stance on that issue
>> and insists that conservatism isn't like that anymore. But as long as a
>> particular struggle is still ongoing, the right wingers still battle for
>> the repressive side and claim that they're correct to do so.
>
> Check your history and look at which party was the most against
> desegregation. I'll give you a hint it starts with a D.

I was talking about the left wing and right wing, not about the two branches
of the US Business Party.

The whole point of Richard Nixon's (very effective) "Southern strategy" was
to convince right-wing, segregationist Southern Democrats that the
Republican party was a better match for their values.

--Gary

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:47:50 +0000, ktbr wrote:

> Historically, however, (as most reasonable people would stipualate) it has
> been the left that has made a career out of expanding government into ever
> more creative nooks and crannies of life.

Unfortunately, though, this is no longer limited to the "left". The fact
that "social conservatives" (which is very different from the political
label "conservative") have been so deeply incorporated within the
Republican Party has changed what has been historically so.

Hopefully, this is a temporary aberration. Otherwise, we're left w/o a
real voice for [political] conservative politics. We can say g'bye to
ideas like fiscal prudence, minimalist government, states' rights, etc.

- Andrew

"Andrew Gideon" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:47:50 +0000, ktbr wrote:
>
> > Historically, however, (as most reasonable people would
> > stipualate) it has been the left that has made a career
> > out of expanding government into ever more creative nooks
> > and crannies of life.
>
> Unfortunately, though, this is no longer limited to the "left".
> The fact that "social conservatives" (which is very different
> from the political label "conservative") have been so deeply
> incorporated within the Republican Party has changed what has
> been historically so.

Yes, the Republicans need to regain control of the party, and kick the
loonies out of it. Let them form the Social Conservative Looney party, and
then see how many elections they win. It is time to get back to true
conservative values; small government, individual rights, low taxes, strong
military, government out of private lives.

"Tom Conner" > wrote:
> It is time to get
> back to true conservative values; small government, individual rights,
> low taxes, strong military, government out of private lives.

Sounds like the Libertarian party:

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:34:35 -0400, "Gary Drescher"
> wrote:

>I was talking about the left wing and right wing, not about the two branches
>of the US Business Party.

So you are on the fringe of the left wing. OK.





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Jim Logajan wrote:

> "Tom Conner" > wrote:
> > It is time to get
> > back to true conservative values; small government, individual rights,
> > low taxes, strong military, government out of private lives.
>
> Sounds like the Libertarian party:

Sounds good, but besides not being able to win elections, the Libertarian
types also advocate for open borders (come on in!), little/no drug control
(everbody get some Oxycontin!), etc. If you favor that, they're for you.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

> "Gary Drescher" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Bob Noel" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> In article om>,
> >> "JohnH" > wrote:
> >>
> >>> > > Uh, as opposed to right-wingers, who seldom try to unduly restrict
> >>> > > people?
> >>> >
> >>> > Correct.
> >>>
> >>> Ever heard of "gay marriage ammendments" and other such moral
> >>> legislation BS?
> >>
> >> Yep - but the left wingers is pushing gay marriage, not the right wing.
> >
> > Exactly, just like the left wing pushed interracial marriage, women's
> > suffrage, the dismantling of segregation laws, repeal of laws against
> > birth control and non-procreative sex...
> >
> > The right-wing strategy is constant: after it has lost its struggle for
> > repression on some particular issue, it disavows its stance on that issue
> > and insists that conservatism isn't like that anymore. But as long as a
> > particular struggle is still ongoing, the right wingers still battle for
> > the repressive side and claim that they're correct to do so.
> >
> > --Gary
> >
> >
>
> Check your history and look at which party was the most against
> desegregation. I'll give you a hint it starts with a D.

Really? I had no idea that Lincoln was a Democrat as led the country for
emancipation. Oh wait, freeing slaves doesn't count, does it. Johnson signed
the civil rights act, but no thanks to Democrats in Congress either. He
depended on Republican votes to get it passed.

Owen wrote:
> Jim Logajan wrote:
>
>> "Tom Conner" > wrote:
>>> It is time to get
>>> back to true conservative values; small government, individual rights,
>>> low taxes, strong military, government out of private lives.
>> Sounds like the Libertarian party:
>
> Sounds good, but besides not being able to win elections, the Libertarian
> types also advocate for open borders (come on in!), little/no drug control
> (everbody get some Oxycontin!), etc. If you favor that, they're for you.
>
It's too bad, too. Every time I describe myself as a libertarian
(notice the "l") I get jumped on. I certainly don't agree with
everything the Libertarian party stands for, but I'm getting closer. I
try to explain that I'm a Republican the way the Republicans used to be,
and people don't get it. I think it's a memory issue.

"Owen" > wrote in message ...
> Jim Logajan wrote:

>> Sounds like the Libertarian party:
>
> Sounds good, but besides not being able to win elections, the Libertarian
> types also advocate for open borders (come on in!), little/no drug control
> (everbody get some Oxycontin!), etc. If you favor that, they're for you.

What gives you the right to tell anyone what they can't put into their body?

Skylune wrote:
> Skylune wrote:
> > Gary Drescher wrote:

> > > In any case, it appears to have been a small aircraft. Just two windows on
> > > each of two adjacent floors of the apartment building show flames and
> > > damage. No ground injuries have been reported; so far, it looks no more
> > > serious than a typical fatal car crash.

Except for 14 firefighters and 4 civilians, just another day in NYC.

>
> NORAD puting fighters up over major cities. Here we go again, the GA
> circus causing chaos......

Nothing like having the country wondering if another 9/11 attack has
started for the 2 hours before an aviator was identified. But at least
NORAD is watching CNN...JG

"Owen" > wrote in message ...
> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

>>
>> Check your history and look at which party was the most against
>> desegregation. I'll give you a hint it starts with a D.
>
> Really? I had no idea that Lincoln was a Democrat as led the country for
> emancipation. Oh wait, freeing slaves doesn't count, does it.

That Lincoln freed them dosn't mean he wanted to eat lunch next to them.

>Johnson signed
> the civil rights act, but no thanks to Democrats in Congress either. He
> depended on Republican votes to get it passed.
>

Exactly

Matt Barrow wrote:
> "Owen" > wrote in message ...
>> Jim Logajan wrote:
>
>>> Sounds like the Libertarian party:
>> Sounds good, but besides not being able to win elections, the Libertarian
>> types also advocate for open borders (come on in!), little/no drug control
>> (everbody get some Oxycontin!), etc. If you favor that, they're for you.
>
> What gives you the right to tell anyone what they can't put into their body?
>
>
>
Me personally, I'm in favor of people putting whatever they want into
their own body, as long I don't have to pay to support them when they
screw themselves up so bad they can't work.

Unfortunately, we DO have to pay to support such people.